Famous Skeptics

The prevalent myth out there in society is that only 2-3% of people are non-believers and they are a miserable bunch of people. In fact, a 2007 PEW survey found 12% of Americans identified themselves as unaffiliated with a religion (up from 8% in 1987). This corroborates other polls including the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) which found 14.1% identified themselves as “non-religious.” The truth is that many people presently and throughout history have been non-believers living fulfilling and good lives, and you may already know and respect them.

The following list is not supposed to convince anyone to abdicate belief by an appeal to authority. It is simply to show that if you are a non-believer that you are not alone. It is also important to note that “Atheism” is not a belief system so these people don’t subscribe to one world-view. This is purely a list of people (atheist, agnostic, or skeptic) that have voiced their lack of belief in or doubts about religion so you can see that you are in good company.


Greek Philosopher”Men create gods after their own image, not only with regard to their form but with regard to their mode of life.”
Greek Philosopher”Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Seneca the Younger
Roman Stoic Philosopher”Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”
French Philosopher”If God has made us in his image, we have returned him thee favor.””Those who believe absurdities will commit atrocities.”
Friedrich Nietzche
German PhilosopherOne had better put on gloves before handling the New Testament. The presence of so much filth makes it highly advisable” – from Chaz Bufe
Jean Paul SartreJean-Paul Sartre
French Philosopher”Thus there is no human nature, since there is no God to conceive it.””I tell you in truth: all men are Prophets or else God does not exist.”

The Devil and the Good Lord (1951, Act 1)


Lance Armstrong
Professional Cyclist”If there was a god, I’d still have both nuts.”

Interview w/ ET Magazine 2004

Taken by Johnson LauBruce Lee
Martial Artist/ActorQ: “Do you believe in God?”

A: “To be perfectly frank, I really do not.”

Interview w/ Alex Ben Block in the summer of 1972

Rafael Nadal by James PhelpsRafael Nadal
Professional Tennis Player“I would love to know if God exists. But it’s a very difficult thing for me to believe.”

Interview w/ Sports Illustrated July 16, 2010

Annika by Keith AllisonAnnika Sorenstam
Professional Golfer”I believe in the good message that’s found in religion. But I doubt there’s someone up there above the clouds running the show.”

Interview w/ Fredrik Hellqvist in 2002

Pat TillmanPat Tillman
Football Player/SoldierRich Tillman: “Pat isn’t with God. He’s f — ing dead. He wasn’t religious. So thank you for your thoughts, but he’s f — ing dead.”

At his memorial service in San Jose

David Feherty
Golf Commentator”If god wanted people to believe in him, why’d he invent logic then?”

Attributed: source unknown

Ted WilliamsTed Williams
Professional Baseball Player“Ted wanted to be cremated,” former teammate Johnny Pesky noted. “He was an atheist. He didn’t believe in religion.”

Sports Illustrated July 8, 2002

Jonathan Edwards by Ian_ThePaperboy_doc_comJonathan Edwards
WR Holder in Triple Jump“When you think about it rationally, it does seem incredibly improbable that there is a God.”

Interview w/ The Times on June 27, 2007


Bill GatesBill Gates
Founder of Microsoft”Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is not very efficient. There’s a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning.”

Time Magazine – January 13, 1996

Steve WozniakSteve Wozniak
Co-founder of Apple“I am also atheist or agnostic (I don’t even know the difference). I’ve never been to church and prefer to think for myself.”

Letter on his website January 20, 2002

Mark Zuckerberg by Raphael LabbeMark Zuckerberg
Founder of Facebook
Youngest BillionaireHe listed “atheist” for his religious views on Facebook.
Warren BuffettWarren Buffett
Investor/Philanthropist”He did not subscribe to his family’s religion. Even at a young age he was too mathematical, too logical, to make the leap of faith. He adopted his father’s ethical underpinnings, but not his belief in an unseen divinity.”

Buffett: The Making of an American Capitalist, pg 13

Ted Turner via Lukeford_dot_netTed Turner
Founder of CNN & TBS“My becoming a Christian upset him very much–for good reason. He’s my husband and I chose not to discuss it with him–because he would have talked me out of it. He’s a debating champion.”

Turner’s wife in April 20, 2001 wire service story

Clarence DarrowClarence Darrow
Lawyer in Scopes “Monkey” Trial”I believe that religion is the belief in future life and in God. I don’t believe in either. I don’t believe in God as I don’t believe in Mother Goose.”

A 1930 speech in Toronto

Sir Edmund Hillary
First to climb Mt. Everest“I have no particular religious beliefs at all, but I am interested in all religions.”

1991 Interview w/ the Academy of Achievement

George Soros via World Economic ForumGeorge Soros
Financier/PhilanthropistQ. “Do you believe in God?”

A. “No.”

60 Minutes, broadcast December 20, 1998

Frank Lloyd WrightFrank Lloyd Wright
American Architect”I believe in God, only I spell it Nature.”

Quote magazine August 14, 1966

Susan B Anthony by SaroneySusan B. Anthony
American Activist”I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.”

1896 Address to NAWSA

Ron Reagan Jr.
Radio Host/Commentator”I’m an atheist. So there you go right there. I can’t be elected to anything because polls all say that people won’t elect an atheist.”

June 26, 2004 interview on Larry King Live

Heidi Klum from The Heart TruthHeidi Klum
Model”I believe I have a healthy common sense and therefore have no need for religion.”

Vogue (Germany), June 2009


John Lennon by Roy KerwoodJohn Lennon
Singer, The Beatles”But for me at any rate it was all part of dissolving the God trip or father-figure trip. Facing up to reality instead of always looking for some kind of heaven.”

Interview by Tariq Ali and Robin Blackburn, 1971

Frank SinatraFrank Sinatra
Singer/Actor”There are things about organized religion which I resent. Christ is revered as the Prince of Peace, but more blood has been shed in His name than any other figure in history. You show me one step forward in the name of religion and I’ll show you a hundred retrogressions.”

Interview for Playboy, Feb. 1963

Billy Joel by Minds-EyeBilly Joel
SingerQ: Are you religious? Do you believe in a God?

A: No. I’m an atheist.

Interview on Howard Stern, Nov. 16, 2010

Barry Manilow by Matt BeckerBarry Manilow
SingerQ: How important is your Judaism to you?

A: It isn’t. My humanism is.

November 18, 1998 issue The Independent

Eddie Vedder by JbachEddie Vedder
Singer, Pearl Jam”… nobody’s shown me anything that makes me feel secure in what happens afterward. All I really believe in is this moment, like right now.”

Interview for Rolling Stone, Oct. 31, 1991

Dave Matthews by Raj GuptaDave Matthews
Singer, DMB”I’m glad some people have that faith. I don’t have that faith. If there is a God, a caring God, then we have to figure he’s done an extraordinary job of making a very cruel world.”

US Magazine, June 1998

Sarah McLachlanSarah McLachlan
Singer”I don’t follow any organized religion, but I do believe in the idea of god as a verb — being love and light. and that we are part of everything as everything is part of us.”

May 28th, 1996 SprintChat

Elton John by Ernst VikneSir Elton John
Singer”From my point of view I would ban religion completely, even though there are some wonderful things about it.”

Interview for The Observer, Aug. 21, 2006

Mick Jagger by Gonzalo AndresMick Jagger
Singer, The Rolling Stones”I’m more in awe of the universe and that’s not really a belief in God. It’s a belief in something. I don’t have belief in the Holy Book.”

Interview for The Independent, Sept. 28, 2007


Brad PittBrad Pitt
Actor”I didn’t understand this idea of a God who says, ‘You have to acknowledge me. You have to say that I’m the best, and then I’ll give you eternal happiness. If you won’t, then you don’t get it!’ It seemed to be about ego. I can’t see God operating from ego, so it made no sense to me.”

Interview with Dotson Rader, Oct. 7, 2007

George Clooney by Georges BiardGeorge Clooney
Actor/Director”I don’t believe in Heaven and Hell. I don’t know if I believe in God. All I know is that as an individual, I won’t allow this life — the only thing I know to exist — to be wasted.”

The Washington Post, Sept. 28, 1997

Natalie PortmanNatalie Portman
Actress”I don’t believe in that[afterlife]. I believe this is it, and I believe it’s the best way to live.”

Rolling Stones: June 20, 2002, p. 52-58

Bruce Willis by Gage SkidmoreBruce Willis
Actor”Modern religion is the end trail of modern mythology. But there are people who interpret the Bible literally. Literally!” he says incredulously. “I choose not to believe that’s the way. And that’s what makes America cool, you know?”

George magazine, July 1998

George Carlin by Bonnie from Kendall ParkGeorge Carlin
Comedian/Actor”Religion easily has the best bullshit story of all time. Think about it. Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man’living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day…”

Politically Incorrect, May 29, 1997

Woody Allen by Colin SwanWoody Allen
Actor/Comedian”Not only is there no God, but try getting a plumber on weekends.”

The New Yorker, Dec. 27, 1969

Angelina Jolie by Gage SkidmoreAngelina Jolie
ActressQ: Is there a God?

A: Hmm… For some people. I hope so, for them. For the people who believe in it, I hope so. There doesn’t need to be a God for me.

The Onion A.V. Club, Sept. 6, 2000

Frank Zappa by Carl LenderFrank Zappa
Composer/Musician”The essence of Christianity is told to us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the Tree of Knowledge. The subtext is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on.”

Interview, Playboy, May 2, 1993

James Cameron by Steve JurvetsJames Cameron
Director/Producer”I’ve sworn off agnosticism, which I now call cowardly atheism. I’ve come to the position that in the complete absence of any supporting data whatsover…there is no afterlife…”

His biography by Rebecca Meegan, page 8

Jodie Foster by Franz RichterJodie Foster
ActressQ: “Are you religious?”

A: “No, I’m an atheist.”

Entertainment Weekly, Sept. 7, 2007

Ricky GervaisRicky Gervais
Comedian”I don’t have any religious feelings because I’m an atheist, but I live my life like there’s a God.”

Interview w/ Daily Mirror, Nov 15, 2004

Bill Maher by David ShankboneBill Maher
Political Comedian”I hate religion. I think it’s a neurological disorder.”

The Tonight Show, April 21, 2004

Katharine HepburnKatharine Hepburn
Actress”I’m an atheist, and that’s it. I believe there’s nothing we can know except that we should be kind to each other and do what we can for each other.”

Ladies Home Journal, Oct 1991, p. 215

John Malkovich by Petr Novak WikipediaJohn Malkovich
Actor”I grew tired of religion some time not long after birth. I believe in people, I believe in humans, I believe in a car, but I don’t believe something I can’t have absolutely no evidence of for millenniums.”

Artbeat Chicago, Jan 6, 2000

Sir Ian McKellenSir Ian McKellen
Actor”But I’m an atheist. So God, if She exists, isn’t really a part of my life.”

Profile in Mr. Showbiz, Jan. 19, 1996

Julianne Moore by Nicolas GeninJulianne Moore
ActressQ: “What would you say to God at the pearly gates?”

A: “Wow, I was wrong, you really do exist.”

Interview on Actor’s Studio, Dec. 22, 2002

Jack Nicholson by Franz RichterJack Nicholson
Actor”I resist all established beliefs. My religion basically is to be immediate, to live in the now. It’s an old cliche, I know, but it’s mine.”

Esquire, Jan. 2004

Soderbergh by Nicolas GeninSteven Soderbergh
Producer/DirectorQ: “Is there a God?”

A: “No.”

The Onion A.V. Club, Sept. 6, 2000

Howard Stern by Silent KHoward Stern
Radio/TV Personality“I know intellectually there is no god. But in case there is, I don’t want to piss him off by saying it.”

Interview w/ Steppin’ Out, May 21, 2004

Kevin BaconKevin Bacon
Actor”…I don’t believe in God, but if I did I would say that sex is a Godgiven right.

The Times, Dec. 1, 2005

Donald Sutherland by Milaub and LiftarnDonald Sutherland
Actor”Oh, you know something? I’m so far away from believing that [Heavan] exists, and the only thing I know are jokes about it.”

“Inside The Actors Studio”, June 13, 1999

Kathy GriffinKathy Griffin
Comedian’My parents sent me to Catholic school, which only made me the vehement militant atheist that I am today”

LA Magazine, June 2005

Seth Green by BurningKarmaSeth Green
Actor”God is, to me, pretty much a myth created over time to deny the idea that we’re all responsible for our own actions.”

The Onion A.V. Club, Sept. 6, 2000

Janeane Garofalo by Geoff CarterJaneane Garofalo
Actress, Comedian”The Bible, I’ve said it before, is a beautifully written work of fiction.”

Politically Incorrect, July 14th, 1998

Eddie Izzard by Dave MorrisEddie Izzard
Comedian, Actor“…I don’t know who because I don’t believe in God…”

Interview w/ Handbag.com, 2006

Penn JillettePenn Jillette
Magician/Entertainer“I believe that there is no God. I’m beyond atheism.”

Morning Edition, November 21, 2005

Hugh Laurie by Kristin Dos SantosHugh Laurie
Actor (House)”I don’t believe in God…”

Kansas City Star, Oct. 31, 2007

Guy Pearce by GDCGraphicsGuy Pearce
Actor“I’m fascinated by religion. I don’t believe in God, but the thing I do believe in is that we’re all connected.”

LA Times, Aug. 27, 2008

Joaquin Phoenix by Tony ShekJoaquin Phoenix
Actor”I don’t believe in god. I don’t believe in an afterlife. I don’t believe in soul. I don’t believe in anything. I think it’s totally right for people to have their own beliefs if it makes them happy, but to me it’s a pretty preposterous idea.”

Nylon Guys magazine, Winter 2008

Daniel Radcliffe by Matthew BlaneyDaniel Radcliffe
Actor (Harry Potter)”I’m an atheist, but I’m very relaxed about it. I don’t preach my atheism, but I have a huge amount of respect for people like Richard Dawkins who do.”

Esquire, July 2009

Ray Romano by Tom CaltabianoRay Romano
ActorQ: “If Heaven exists, Ray what would you like to hear God say when you arrive at the pearly gates?

A: “…See you were wrong, I do exist.”

Actors Studio, June 19, 2005

Sarah Silverman by Joan GarvinSarah Silverman
ComedianQ: “Are you an observant Jew?”

A: “Nope. I have no religion. I’m only Jewish ethnically. Culturally.”

MacLean’s, Oct. 22, 2007

Antonio Banderas by David ShankboneAntonio Banderas
Actor”I have to recognize that I am agnostic. I don’t believe in any kind of fundamentalism. I prefer to take life in a different way, with a sense of humor. I try to teach my kids to be open.”

People Magazine, April 2006

Lewis BlackLewis Black
Comedian“Many Americans reaffirmed their faith this year. I didn’t, because I have no faith. I was born and raised Jewish and it just didn’t take.”

Late Show, Aug. 30, 2002

Larry KingLarry King
TV Personality”….With one exception – if it comes to religious topics everything is already said. I am an agnostic, so I don’t learn anything from them.”

Horzu, German TV Magazine, June 2000

Amanda Bynes by Shay SowdenAmanda Bynes
Actress“I’m not that religious. I believe in treating people how you want to be treated.”

Forward magazine, July 18, 2007

Meryl Streep by UserPhotoTakeRealityMeryl Streep
Actress“I think I can understand the solace that’s available in the whole construct of religion. But I really don’t believe in the power of prayer, or things would have been avoided that have happened, that are awful. …I just can’t go there.”

The Sunday Telegraph, Dec. 12, 2008

Robert Redford by Georges BiardRobert Redford
Actor“Is there an afterlife? As far as I know, this is it. It’s all we’ve got. You take your opportunities and you go for it.”

Playboy magazine, Nov. 2007

William Shatner by Jerry AvenaimWilliam Shatner
Actor“Emotionally I would like to believe there is a life after death. Intellectually . . . . I cannot accept the idea. . . . as for myself, I have finally come to the conclusion that life is here and now . . . and nothing more.”

Interview w/ Bonnie Mallory, 1968

Historical Politicians

John AdamsJohn Adams
2nd U.S. President”Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it.”

Letter to John Quincy Adams, November 13, 1816

“I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved — the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!”

Letter to Thomas Jefferson

James MadisonJames Madison
4th U.S. President
Father of the Constitution”Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprize, every expanded prospect.”

Letter to William Bradford, Jr., April 1, 1774

“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”

Virginia General Assembly, June 20, 1785

Thomas JeffersonThomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President”The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”

Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

“I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.”

Letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820

Robert G. IngersollRobert G. Ingersoll
Civil War Veteran/ Political Leader”I cannot see why we should expect an infinite God to do better in another world than he does in this.”

The Iconoclast, Indianapolis, Ind. 1882

“The notion that faith in Christ is to be rewarded by an eternity of bliss, while a dependence upon reason, observation and experience merits everlasting pain, is too absurd for refutation, and can be relieved only by that unhappy mixture of insanity and ignorance, called ‘faith.'” – The Gods

Thomas PaineThomas Paine
Political Philosopher”Independence is my happiness, and I view things as they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world, and my religion is to do good.” – The Rights of Man

“The Bible: a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalise mankind.” – The Age of Reason

Napoleon BonaparteNapoleon Bonaparte
French General and Emperor”All religions have been made by men.”

Letter to Gaspard Gourgaud January 28, 1817

“As for myself, I do not believe that such a person as Jesus Christ ever existed; but as the people are inclined to superstition, it is proper not to oppose them.”

Attributed: source unknown


Edgar Allan PoeEdgar Allan Poe
American Author/Poet”No man who ever lived knows any more about the hereafter than you and I; and all religion is simply evolved out of chicanery, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.”

Rufus K Noyes, Views of Religion

Mark TwainMark Twain
American Author”I cannot see how a man of any large degree of humorous perception can ever be religious — unless he purposely shut the eyes of his mind & keep them shut by force.”

Mark Twain’s Notebooks and Journals, 1979

Ernest HemingwayErnest Hemingway
American Novelist”All thinking men are atheists.”

A Farewell to Arms

Isaac Asimov by Rowena MorrillIsaac Asimov
Science Fiction Writer”Emotionally I am an atheist. I don’t have the evidence to prove that God doesn’t exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn’t that I don’t want to waste my time.”

Free Inquiry, Spring 1982, vol.2 no.2, p. 9

Arthur C. Clark
Science Fiction Writer”Science can destroy religion by ignoring it as well as by disproving its tenets. No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, the non-existence of Zeus or Thor — but they have few followers now.”

Childhood’s End, 1953, p. 15

George Orwell
British WriterAbout Orwell: “He was an embittered atheist the sort of atheist who does not so much disbelieve in God as personally dislike Him.”

Down and Out in Paris and London, 1933

Roger Ebert by RebertRoger Ebert
Film Critic“I wrote an entry about the way I believe in God, which is to say that I do not.”

Go gentle into that good night, May 2, 2009

Tom WolfeTom Wolfe
Bonfire of the Vanities”A cult is a religion with no political power.”

In Our Time, 1980 (Also attended 2007 AAC)

Gene by Larry D. MooreGene Roddenberry
Creator of Star Trek”We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.”

Free Inquiry, Autumn 1992

Stan Lee by Gage SkidmoreStan Lee
Comic Artist”Q: Is there a God?

A: Well, let me put it this way… [Pauses.] No, I’m not going to try to be clever. I really don’t know. I just don’t know.”

Onion AV Club Article, Oct. 9, 2002

Michael Lewis
Editor, New Republic“…it isn’t five minutes before I am forced to admit that I am an atheist.”

New Republic issue, July 8, 1996

Dave BarryDave Barry
Humorist/Columnist”I liked making people laugh, and I decided I was an atheist early on…”

Interview w/ Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Nov 25, 2001

George Bernard ShawGeorge Bernard Shaw
British Playwright”The fact that a believer is happier than a sceptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.”

Androcles and the Lion, 1916

Donald Morgan
Author”Jesus’ last words on the cross, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” hardly seem like the words of a man who planned it that way. It doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to figure there is something wrong here.”

Attributed: source unknown

H L MenckenH.L. Mencken
Editor/Critic”The curse of man, and cause of nearly all of his woes, is his stupendous capacity for believing the incredible.”

A Mencken Chrestomathy, 1949


Albert EinsteinAlbert Einstein
Theoretical Physicist”It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.”

Albert Einstein: The Human Side 1954

Thomas EdisonThomas Edison
Inventor & Scientist”I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.”

Columbian Magazine

Stephen HawkingStephen Hawking
Theoretical Physicist”But if the universe is really completely self-contained, having no boundary or edge, it would have neither beginning nor end: it would simply be. What place, then, for a creator?”

A Brief History of Time (1988), p. 140-41.

Charles DarwinCharles Darwin
Evolutionary Biologist”I am aware that the assumed instinctive belief in God has been used by many persons as an argument for his existence. The idea of a universal and beneficent Creator does not seem to arise in the mind of man, until he has been elevated by long-continued culture.”

Descent of Man p. 612

Carl SaganCarl Sagan
Astronomer/Educator”If some good evidence for life after death were announced, I’d be eager to examine it; but it would have to be real scientific data, not mere anecdote…. Better the hard truth, I say, than the comforting fantasy.”

The Demon-Haunted World, p. 204

Marie CurieMarie Curie
Chemist”Unusually at such an early age, she became what T.H. Huxley had just invented a word for: agnostic.”

Marie Curie by Robert William Reid (p. 19, 1974)

Sigmund FreudSigmund Freud
Austrian Psychiatrist”Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out-and-out unbeliever.”

Letter to Charles Singer

Alan TuringAlan Turing
Computer Scientist”Turing was accustomed to being a non-conformist. At boarding school, he refused to adapt and ignored subjects that did not interest him. He was an atheist, and felt marginalised because of his homosexuality.”

Article from BBC News, April 28, 1999

Milton Friedman from Free to Choose MediaMilton Friedman
Economist”I am an agnostic. I do not ‘believe in’ God, but I am not an atheist, because I believe the statement, ‘There is a god’ does not admit of being either confirmed or rejected. I do not believe God has anything to do with economics. But values do.”

Interview with John Lofton 2006

Steven WeinbergSteven Weinberg
Physicist, Nobel Laureate”Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion.”

Dialog with other scientists, 1999

Richard FeynmanRichard Feynman
Physicist, Nobel Laureate”I thought nature itself was so interesting that I didn’t want it distorted (by miracle stories). And so I gradually came to disbelieve the whole religion.”

What Do You Care What Other People Think?, 1988

Brian Greene by Markus PoesselBrian Greene
Theoretical Physicist”Q: What’s your favorite conspiracy theory?BG: The most fun one is that God created the universe. But would one consider that a conspiracy?”

Interview in Whole Life Times

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